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Love and attachment: Souls don't discriminate by gender

Jan. 26, 2022

Jen and Angie discuss stories of romantic love, beyond an idealized “you complete me” model of attraction between man and woman. Jen’s view on love expands as she admires the depth of connection between the lesbian characte…

Beliefs and Identity: the FIRST L4R podcast recording

Jan. 14, 2022

This was the conversation that started it all….recorded in February 2020, weeks before life was altered by the pandemic. It is now being released because it is as relevant as ever. Jen discusses personal identity and core b…

Near death experience and near life decisions

Jan. 5, 2022

Sean tells the story of nearly being killed in an accident at age 13 - he was given the gift of survival and a vision for a long life of no regret or remorse. This leads Jen to open up and share her struggle with alcohol and…

Racism: It's in the water and we're ALL wet

Dec. 31, 2021

Sean and Jen discuss their white privilege and the idea that we are all influenced by racism if we live in the US. Sean created and delivered the epic TEDx talk, "Dear Racism, A Break-Up Letter from a White Man" - leading t…

Women and inclusion: It's not a matter of optics - it's an imperative

Dec. 23, 2021

"You can't tell me it isn't raining outside, just because you're warm and dry indoors..." This is not your typical DEI conversation. Jen and Valerie talk bias and inequality with regard to women in the workplace - oh and new…

The power of y(our) stories: Jen gets personal

Dec. 17, 2021

Jen goes solo and declares that y(our) stories hold the power to change humanity. Audacious? Maybe, but our stories matter. Jen shares a chapter from her own life and also expands on the importance of listening deeply to oth…

Immigrants as humans not sound bites.

Dec. 10, 2021

Jen owns the callous and ignorant manner in which she tossed around terms like: immigrant, illegal, refugee, and asylum seeker. Her largely erroneous assertions led to this vital conversation recorded two years ago - pre-pan…

Self-love vs. Self-destruction

Dec. 1, 2021

Invest 90 seconds into feeling something now OR stuff it and foster a lifetime of neuroses- good times! Jen and Kim discuss love of self as a prerequisite to loving others. It's not hippy, self-indulgent, or weird...it's ess…

The episode that became a therapy session...sorta

Nov. 24, 2021

Jen and Kim flesh out trauma, boundaries, and feelings - plus a whole lot more. Kim is a highly sensitive human (and therapist) who feels everything - while Jen explains living disconnected from her body and soul much of he…

Overwhelm meets her problem-solving guru

Nov. 18, 2021

Jen admits her tendency toward overwhelm and occasional tantrums when "things don't go right" - while Amanda provides methodical, constructive guidance with her #icann method of problem solving. These two couldn't be more di…

Feminism and the patriarchy? New input for the echo chamber

Nov. 10, 2021

Jen confesses her ignorance regarding feminism, patriarchy, misogyny and other big words that she pretty much ignored or misjudged. Julie Gohring is a progressive thinker and feminist focused on human rights and equality. A …

Marriage: lifetime covenant OR lease option? (part 2 with Staci Bartley)

Nov. 3, 2021

Jen embarks on a second episode with her friend and relationship guru, Staci Bartley, to discuss the institution of marriage over history (shocking!) and the origin of the shame and guilt often attributed to the marriage nar…

Marriage: lifetime covenant OR lease option?

Oct. 25, 2021

Jen hosts friend and relationship guru, Staci Bartley, to discuss marriage and a whole new perspective on long term happiness. Both women talk candidly about their own marriages (past and present) and the idea that a success…

Why Listen for REAL?

Aug. 20, 2021

Jen talks candidly about why she created this podcast; from the embarrassing truth of being called out on social media to recognizing and owning her own limited viewpoints.


Aug. 20, 2021